Bug Bitrate too high

[tamahome]

AQE 0.33.0.6 in Diko with matrix AutoQ2

1 .avi in 352/576 in 2732 average bitrate minrate 0 max 7500

and result :x

BitrateView

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2651/sanstitresc5.jpg

and bitrate View Dvdlab

http://www.hiboox.com/image.php?img=a283afd.jpg

Log

[Thu Jul 27 00:47:38 2006] - AutoQMatEnc Version 0, 33, 0, 6
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:38 2006] - AutoBias : Bias selected : 57
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:38 2006] - Width : 352 ; Height : 576 ; Bitrate Equivalent : 5602841
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:38 2006] - Warning!! The QMatOp builtin feature is not enabled -
 DVDRB Users : CCEAQM=1 is missing in the Rebuilder.ini file for it to be enabled.
 Others : adjust_q_matrix=1 must be set in your ECL file.
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:38 2006] - Automatic Multithread mode enabled : 6 threads will be used
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:38 2006] - Normal Bitrate mode engaged
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:38 2006] - Pass 1/3 - Bitrate : 3287000
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:39 2006] - Info: 'D:\\1111111111111CAME FILM\movie0.avs' has audio.
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:39 2006] - D:\\1111111111111CAME FILM\movie0.avs: 352x576, 25 fps, 131298 frames
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:39 2006] - converting ? -> RGB24
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:39 2006] - Assigned new RGB clip
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:39 2006] - AVS File opened successfully
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:39 2006] - Autodetect number of frames mode : 131298 frames detected
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:39 2006] - Used Matrix:
8 16 19 22 26 28 32 38
16 16 22 24 28 32 38 44
19 22 26 28 32 38 44 48
22 22 26 32 38 44 48 54
22 26 32 38 44 48 54 64
26 32 38 44 48 54 64 74
32 38 44 48 54 64 74 84
38 44 48 54 64 74 84 94
16 20 24 28 36 42 46 52
20 24 28 36 42 46 52 58
24 28 36 42 46 52 58 62
28 36 42 46 52 58 62 68
36 42 46 52 58 62 68 78
42 46 52 58 62 68 78 88
46 52 58 62 68 78 88 99
52 58 62 68 78 88 99 99
[Thu Jul 27 00:47:39 2006] - Assessing Darkness Level
[Thu Jul 27 00:56:17 2006] - Darkness level : 0.035517
[Thu Jul 27 00:56:17 2006] - Ratio : 4/3
[Thu Jul 27 00:56:17 2006] - Init Buffer : 131480
[Thu Jul 27 00:56:17 2006] - Very dark scene => Activating Dark Masking Engine : 0.964483
[Thu Jul 27 00:56:17 2006] - Initial Complexity : 0.207843
[Thu Jul 27 00:56:17 2006] - RCmin : -552069 ; DarkLim: 0.105053 ; Tolerance : 3142000
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:32 2006] - The Average FPS for this pass was : 50.000000
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:32 2006] - Done
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:33 2006] - Normal Bitrate mode engaged
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:33 2006] - Pass 2/3 - Bitrate : 3287000
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - Info: 'D:\\1111111111111CAME FILM\movie0.avs' has audio.
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - D:\\1111111111111CAME FILM\movie0.avs: 352x576, 25 fps, 131298 frames
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - converting ? -> RGB24
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - Assigned new RGB clip
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - AVS File opened successfully
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - Autodetect number of frames mode : 131298 frames detected
8 16 19 22 26 28 32 38
16 16 22 24 28 32 38 44
19 22 26 28 32 38 44 48
22 22 26 32 38 44 48 54
22 26 32 38 44 48 54 64
26 32 38 44 48 54 64 74
32 38 44 48 54 64 74 84
38 44 48 54 64 74 84 94
16 20 24 28 36 42 46 52
20 24 28 36 42 46 52 58
24 28 36 42 46 52 58 62
28 36 42 46 52 58 62 68
36 42 46 52 58 62 68 78
42 46 52 58 62 68 78 88
46 52 58 62 68 78 88 99
52 58 62 68 78 88 99 99
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - Darkness level : 0.035517
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - Ratio : 4/3
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - Init Buffer : 131480
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - Very dark scene => Activating Dark Masking Engine : 0.964483
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - Initial Complexity : 0.207843
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:37 2006] - RCmin : -552068 ; DarkLim: 0.105053 ; Tolerance : 3142000
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:38 2006] - Processing VAF file
Q[1]=130918 Q[2]=219 Q[3]=108 Q[4]=28 Q[5]=17 Q[6]=7 Q[7]=1 Q[8]=0 Q[9]=0 Q[10]=0 Q[11]=0 Q[12]=0 Q[13]=0 Q[14]=0 Q[15]=0 Q[16]=0 Q[17]=0 Q[18]=0 Q[19]=0 Q[20]=0 Q[21]=0 Q[22]=0 Q[23]=0 Q[24]=0 Q[25]=0 Q[26]=0 Q[27]=0 Q[28]=0 Q[29]=0 Q[30]=0 Q[31]=0 Q[32]=0 Q[33]=0 Q[34]=0 Q[35]=0 Q[36]=0 Q[37]=0 Q[38]=0 Q[39]=0 Q[40]=0 Q[41]=0 Q[42]=0 Q[43]=0 Q[44]=0 Q[45]=0 Q[46]=0 Q[47]=0 Q[48]=0 Q[49]=0 Q[50]=0 Q[51]=0 Q[52]=0 Q[53]=0 Q[54]=0 Q[55]=0 Q[56]=0 Q[57]=0 Q[58]=0 Q[59]=0 Q[60]=0 Q[61]=0 Q[62]=0 Q[63]=0 Q[64]=0
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:38 2006] - QM : 7 ; maxQpercent : 7.61626e-006 ; partialQsum : 1
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:38 2006] - QM : 6 ; maxQpercent : 6.09301e-005 ; partialQsum : 8
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:39 2006] - QM : 5 ; maxQpercent : 0.000190407 ; partialQsum : 25
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:39 2006] - QM : 4 ; maxQpercent : 0.000403662 ; partialQsum : 53
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:39 2006] - QM : 3 ; maxQpercent : 0.00122622 ; partialQsum : 161
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:39 2006] - QM : 2 ; maxQpercent : 0.00289418 ; partialQsum : 380
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:39 2006] - QM : 1 ; maxQpercent : 1 ; partialQsum : 131298
[Thu Jul 27 01:39:39 2006] - Calculated Min Qmin : 1 ; Max Qmax : 2
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - The Average FPS for this pass was : 47.000000
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - Done
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - Normal Bitrate mode engaged
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - Pass 3/3 - Bitrate : 3287000
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - Info: 'D:\\1111111111111CAME FILM\movie0.avs' has audio.
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - D:\\1111111111111CAME FILM\movie0.avs: 352x576, 25 fps, 131298 frames
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - converting ? -> RGB24
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - Assigned new RGB clip
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - AVS File opened successfully
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - Autodetect number of frames mode : 131298 frames detected
8 16 19 22 26 28 32 38
16 16 22 24 28 32 38 44
19 22 26 28 32 38 44 48
22 22 26 32 38 44 48 54
22 26 32 38 44 48 54 64
26 32 38 44 48 54 64 74
32 38 44 48 54 64 74 84
38 44 48 54 64 74 84 94
16 20 24 28 36 42 46 52
20 24 28 36 42 46 52 58
24 28 36 42 46 52 58 62
28 36 42 46 52 58 62 68
36 42 46 52 58 62 68 78
42 46 52 58 62 68 78 88
46 52 58 62 68 78 88 99
52 58 62 68 78 88 99 99
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - Darkness level : 0.035517
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - Ratio : 4/3
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - Init Buffer : 131480
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - Very dark scene => Activating Dark Masking Engine : 0.964483
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - Initial Complexity : 0.207843
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:24 2006] - RCmin : -552068 ; DarkLim: 0.105053 ; Tolerance : 3142000
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:28 2006] - Processing VAF file
Q[1]=130918 Q[2]=219 Q[3]=108 Q[4]=28 Q[5]=17 Q[6]=7 Q[7]=1 Q[8]=0 Q[9]=0 Q[10]=0 Q[11]=0 Q[12]=0 Q[13]=0 Q[14]=0 Q[15]=0 Q[16]=0 Q[17]=0 Q[18]=0 Q[19]=0 Q[20]=0 Q[21]=0 Q[22]=0 Q[23]=0 Q[24]=0 Q[25]=0 Q[26]=0 Q[27]=0 Q[28]=0 Q[29]=0 Q[30]=0 Q[31]=0 Q[32]=0 Q[33]=0 Q[34]=0 Q[35]=0 Q[36]=0 Q[37]=0 Q[38]=0 Q[39]=0 Q[40]=0 Q[41]=0 Q[42]=0 Q[43]=0 Q[44]=0 Q[45]=0 Q[46]=0 Q[47]=0 Q[48]=0 Q[49]=0 Q[50]=0 Q[51]=0 Q[52]=0 Q[53]=0 Q[54]=0 Q[55]=0 Q[56]=0 Q[57]=0 Q[58]=0 Q[59]=0 Q[60]=0 Q[61]=0 Q[62]=0 Q[63]=0 Q[64]=0
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:29 2006] - QM : 7 ; maxQpercent : 7.61626e-006 ; partialQsum : 1
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:29 2006] - QM : 6 ; maxQpercent : 6.09301e-005 ; partialQsum : 8
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:29 2006] - QM : 5 ; maxQpercent : 0.000190407 ; partialQsum : 25
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:29 2006] - QM : 4 ; maxQpercent : 0.000403662 ; partialQsum : 53
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:29 2006] - QM : 3 ; maxQpercent : 0.00122622 ; partialQsum : 161
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:29 2006] - QM : 2 ; maxQpercent : 0.00289418 ; partialQsum : 380
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:29 2006] - QM : 1 ; maxQpercent : 1 ; partialQsum : 131298
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:29 2006] - Calculated Min Qmin : 1 ; Max Qmax : 2
[Thu Jul 27 02:26:29 2006] - Expected size : 2157882630 ; Real Size : 1837954865 ; Error : 15 %
Adjustments: 0 : 3859159 : 8000000 | 1 : 2
[Thu Jul 27 03:13:01 2006] - The Average FPS for this pass was : 47.000000
[Thu Jul 27 03:13:01 2006] - Done
[Thu Jul 27 03:13:01 2006] - Final Result :
[Thu Jul 27 03:13:01 2006] - Expected size : 2157882630 ; Real Size : 1837954865 ; Error : 15 %
[Thu Jul 27 03:13:01 2006] - Total time elapsed : 8723 seconds

[SAPSTAR]

I also noticed that QMatOp was not activated. As I already mentioned, I can only give a limited support to the "Non"QmatOp users. After all, the main advantage of AQE is QMatOp, if you are not using it, you could use any other encoder...well that's my thoughts.
FYI: The rate control is more optimized when used with QMatOp than not. Also, I hope you understand that AutoQ2 is not an "adaptive" matrix...it's just a matrix like any other, and maybe it was not the best one for your encode!

[tamahome]

I will test by activating qmat
but certain matrix creates by AQE do not follow the standard dvd not?

[SAPSTAR]

I will test by activating qmat
but certain matrix creates by AQE do not follow the standard dvd not?

Wrong! The generated matrices are fully compliant. Not common but compliant, this discussion arose few months ago, and I gave a link the MPEG2 compliancy pages about to close it.
For MPEG2 the only real restriction is: Values must be between 1-255. That's it! But some encoders restrict it. For example, CCE is not following the pure DVD limits, it restricts it to 8-127.
QMatOp restricts it to 8-255 by default but it can be changed.

FYI, I found some Anime Commercial DVDs which had the following matrices:
6 7 8 8 8 8 8 8
7 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8

10 11 12 12 12 12 12 12
11 12 12 12 12 12 12 12
12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12
12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12
12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12
12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12
12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12
12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12

[BJ_]

I also noticed that QMatOp was not activated. As I already mentioned, I can only give a limited support to the "Non"QmatOp users. After all, the main advantage of AQE is QMatOp, if you are not using it, you could use any other encoder...well that's my thoughts.
FYI: The rate control is more optimized when used with QMatOp than not. Also, I hope you understand that AutoQ2 is not an "adaptive" matrix...it's just a matrix like any other, and maybe it was not the best one for your encode!

Then I understand that you it would have to take off the option to use another matrix, even though to prevent problems as this and so that the people use the maximum of the AQE.

CYA!

[SAPSTAR]

Then I understand that you it would have to take off the option to use another matrix, even though to prevent problems as this and so that the people use the maximum of the AQE.

CYA!

I thought about removing it, but some people absolutely wanted to keep it switchable. So I kept it, but I do not recommend it.

[techreactor]

I also noticed that QMatOp was not activated. As I already mentioned, I can only give a limited support to the "Non"QmatOp users. After all, the main advantage of AQE is QMatOp, if you are not using it, you could use any other encoder...well that's my thoughts.
FYI: The rate control is more optimized when used with QMatOp than not. Also, I hope you understand that AutoQ2 is not an "adaptive" matrix...it's just a matrix like any other, and maybe it was not the best one for your encode!

Well I always thought that "extremely low bitrate encoding with good quality" was another of AutoQmatenc's tagline, ofcourse with QmatOp ON. But I dont know if it has changed oflate now, has it .

[SAPSTAR]

"extremely low bitrate encoding with good quality" was another of AutoQmatenc's tagline, ofcourse with QmatOp ON.

Absolutely, but as you said with QMatOp on! That's why I dont recommend QMatOp off.

[danpos]

@SAPSTAR

... And I do confirm: using AQE with QMatOp on the user just gain: a - no 'bloated' filterchain (QMatOp generates a custom QMat which is already a great 'filter' for noises; with AQE/QMatOp I don't use any denoiser); b - no bother to adjust the optimal QMAT for each movie; c- good rate control with good quality even to hard scenes (dark scenes).

I think that to use AQE without QMatOp is almost pointless IMHO.

Regards,